Terminology

May. 3rd, 2009 11:57 am
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[personal profile] floit63 posting in [community profile] transgender
This post got me thinking. How many of our arguments (either amongst ourselves or with others) stem from the fact that everyone has a slightly different interpretation of key words we use? I'm going to post a few different words that are rather important when discussing trans issues and I'd love it if everyone could go through and give their definitions of these words so that I can make a list for n00bs (all of them can be anon if you wish). My own definitions will be in the comments.

The Words:
Sex
Gender
Transgender
Transexual
Trans*
Male
Female
Man/boy
Woman/girl
Cisgender
Gay
Lesbian
Straight
Bisexual
Pansexual
Polysexual
Asexual
Ally
Stealth
Out (as in out of the closet, not as in out to the store)
Pride

Date: 2009-05-03 04:19 pm (UTC)
downtide: shore birds (Default)
From: [personal profile] downtide
This is going to take some thought on my part, and will probably be long, so I think if you don't mind I'll post my answers to my own journal and link here when I'm finished.

Date: 2009-05-03 10:26 pm (UTC)
downtide: shore birds (cas far away)
From: [personal profile] downtide
Bisexual - Person who is attracted to people regardless of sex/gender. Often considered to be problematic due to there not being only two sexes/genders.

I tend to consider myself bisexual rather than pansexual mainly because I am attracted to more masculine men and more feminine women. Although as far as physical "bits" go, I prefer a roll in the sack with a person whose bits are female, so I actually find other ftms more appealing than cisgendered men. I like rugged-looking men, I just.... don't like penis that much >.<

Not all transpeople (or GLB people for that matter) agree with Pride. I love it and wish it could go on all year.
I'm definitely in agreement with you on that. I can't imagine I would ever go stealth after transition, I suspect I'm likely to be the sort of person campagning for trans advocacy and marching under the rainbow flag for the rest of my life, and loving every minute of it.
Edited Date: 2009-05-03 10:29 pm (UTC)

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Date: 2009-05-04 11:11 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] snakey
Female - Same as above, but for people with vaginas, ovaries, uterus, etc.

You're seriously saying trans men are female? o_O (And that trans women aren't?)

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Date: 2009-05-04 11:13 am (UTC)
From: [personal profile] auntysarah
Female - Same as above, but for people with vaginas, ovaries, uterus, etc.

Um, what?

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Date: 2009-05-04 11:25 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] cyberspice
Since I don't have ovaries or a uterus am I not female then?

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Date: 2009-05-03 10:18 pm (UTC)
downtide: shore birds (Default)
From: [personal profile] downtide
well mine turned out to be more concise than I expected so here goes:


Sex - the act of.... no wait. This would be a person's physical, bodily sex. The current one, not necessarily the one at birth.
Gender - This would be where a person self-identifies on the masculine-feminine spectrum.
Transgender - a person whose gender does not match their current physical sex
Transexual - a person whose gender dos not match birth sex, and has undergone or is undergoing transition in order to change sex.
Trans* - umbrella covering transgender and transsexual
Male - an adjective to describe a person at the masculine end of the gender spectrum
Female - an adjective to describe a person at the feminine end of the gender spectrum
Man/boy - a noun to describe a person of masculine gender
Woman/girl - a noun to describe a person of feminine gender
Cisgender - a person whose gender and sex were always in agreement and has not undergone transition
Gay - sexual attraction to people of the same gender as oneself
Lesbian - as above but limited to female-gendered people
Straight - sexual attraction to people of the opposite gender to oneself
Bisexual - sexual attraction to people at either end of the gender spectrum, both male and female
Pansexual - sexual attraction to people anywhere on the gender spectrum
Polysexual - I actually have never heard this term before and can't imagine how it would differ from Pansexual
Asexual - lack of sexual attraction
Ally - someone who is not transgendered but is a supporter of those who are.
Stealth - living totally in the closet as one's chosen (new) gender without revealing one's past.
Out (as in out of the closet, not as in out to the store) - being open to others (in terms of trans*-ness or sexual orientation)
Pride - sense of belonging to or identifying with the LGBT community

Date: 2009-05-03 10:20 pm (UTC)
downtide: shore birds (Default)
From: [personal profile] downtide
I forgot to include "Pride" as the annual GLBT parade event too, thanks for reminding me [personal profile] floit63

Date: 2009-05-04 12:23 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] maudlinstreet
Man/boy - a noun to describe a person of masculine gender
Woman/girl - a noun to describe a person of feminine gender
Male - an adjective to describe a person at the masculine end of the gender spectrum
Female - an adjective to describe a person at the feminine end of the gender spectrum


Uhhhhhhhhh NO NO NO NO.

Gender - This would be where a person self-identifies on the masculine-feminine spectrum.

People who are not really self-aware about gender also HAVE a gender.

Transgender - a person whose gender does not match their current physical sex
Transexual - a person whose gender dos not match birth sex, and has undergone or is undergoing transition in order to change sex.


WHAT?

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Date: 2009-05-04 03:16 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] shemale
Sex: An act between two or more participants involving pleasurable physical stimulation of the romantic variety

Gender: The classification of a word or grammatical form in a category or set, one category of such a set, or the distinguishing form or forms used in reference to one category of such a set.

Transgender: A general term applied to a variety of individuals, behaviors, and groups involving tendencies that diverge from the normative gender role (woman or man) commonly, but not always, assigned at birth, as well as the role traditionally held by society.

Transexual: Persona que adopta los caracteres sexuales del sexo opuesto-asignado mediante procesos hormonales y quirúrgicos.

Trans*: A reference to all or any of the words (and groups described by said words) beginning with the prefix trans- (and, additionally, the adjective "trans" as well).

Male: Someone who identifies their body as such

Female: Someone who identifies their body as such

Man/boy: Someone who identifies within that particular social category

Woman/girl: Someone who identifies within that particular social category

Cisgender: Not transgender

Gay: Same-gender loving, also a sexual identity

Lesbian: Same-gender loving woman

Straight: Opposite-gender loving

Bisexual: Both/any-gender loving

Pansexual: Lover of pans, flutes, and trannies. Often used by chasers.

Polysexual: Did you mean "polyamorous?"

Asexual: Single-organism reproduction. Also, a sexual identity indicating low or nonexistent libido.

Ally: Someone who's rather full of them-self to feel that they're entitled to base an identity indicating how great they are on the existence of marginalized groups from whose oppression they benefit.

Stealth: The quality or characteristic of being furtive or covert. See also: Assimilation

Out (as in out of the closet, not as in out to the store): Openly queer and/or trans

Pride: Fun event for the warmer seasons

Date: 2009-05-04 03:38 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] sqrrel
Pansexual: Lover of pans, flutes, and trannies. Often used by chasers.

ILU.

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Date: 2009-05-05 12:13 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dashingdeviant
Ally: Someone who's rather full of them-self to feel that they're entitled to base an identity indicating how great they are on the existence of marginalized groups from whose oppression they benefit.

YES. THIS.
ten: Naked male torso (Default)
From: [personal profile] ten
My personal definitions of the terms (some easy, some difficult to put down in a few words) Note that where there are options, these options don't have to be exclusive of each other.

Sex The biological sex as defined by one's genetic makeup and natural reproductive organs.
Gender A role related to social interaction and environments. Can be set or fluent, depending on the person's self-identification and/or social environment. May be, but must not be related to the person's sex.
Transgender a) A state in which a person does not feel they belong to the gender assigned to them
b) a recently preferred term for transsexual as it is considered to encompass a far wider range of self-identification
Transexual A state in which a person considers their sex to not fit their gender
Trans* A common term for all forms of transitioning between genders and/or sexes
Male a) having the xy chromosome
b) a gender identity connected to certain characteristics most commonly defined by one's social environment
Female a) having the xx chromosome
b) a gender identity connected to certain characteristics most commonly defined by one's social environment
Man/boy a male person (see 'male' above)
Woman/girl a female person (see 'female' above)
Cisgender a state in which one feels their gender and natural sex are congruent
Gay being physically and/or romantically attracted to persons of the same sex and/or gender
Lesbian being of the female gender and/or sex and being physically and/or romantically attracted to other person of the female sex and/or gender
Straight being physically and/or romantically attracted to persons of the other gender and/or sex in a binary gender system
Bisexual being physically and/or romantically attracted to persons of either gender and/or sex in a binary gender system
Pansexual being physically and/or romantically attracted to persons of all genders and/or sexes in non-binary gender systems
Polysexual being physically and/or romantically attracted to persons of many but not necessarily all genders and/or sexes in non-binary gender systems
Asexual not being sexually attracted to others. Romantic attraction is however possible and sexuality still exists.
Ally Someone who supports the rights and situations of trans persons while not being trans themselves.
(I ... honestly dislike this term. It sounds too much like part of a war situation to me. I prefer a simple 'friend'.)
Stealth hiding one's trans* state from other people
Out informing other people about one's trans* state
Pride a movement that celebrates gender diversity and encourages people to never be ashamed nor let others treat them like they should be ashamed of their gender and/or sexuality.
sin_nombre: sign from 1918 flu pandemic (Default)
From: [personal profile] sin_nombre
You do realize that there's no such thing as AN XY chromosome or AN XX chromosome, right? There's an X chromosome, and a Y chromosome, and they can be thrown into almost any configuration. Also, XY women (e.g., people with AIS) wouldn't fit into this definition, nor would XXY, XYY, XXYY men, or XO, XXX, or XXXX women, to name a few. And then there are the wonderful conditions that result in mosaicism.

Moreover, I'd venture to say that most trans* people have never had genetic testing and wouldn't know their own karyotypes anyway.
From: [personal profile] auntysarah
There's no such thing as "the XX chromosome" and "the XY chromosome". There are X chromosomes, and there are Y chromosomes. It's also a lot more complicated than "46XX = female, 46XY = male", even if you ignore trans people. There are 46XX male people walking around who assume they are 46XY, there are 46XY female people walking around who assume they are 46XX. There are both 47XXY male and female people, again many of whom have no idea of their unusual chromosomal configuration, and various others.

XX=female, XY=male is very simplistic, and nature is much more complicated than that.

Date: 2009-05-04 11:28 pm (UTC)
From: [personal profile] chaoticgrace
There are days I want to say -- with hope in my heart -- that all our disagreements come from misunderstandings of words and what they mean.

And then there are days when I feel certain that two-by-fours are the universal language, and that some people are in dire need of discussion in that tongue...

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